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Thu, 02/19/2009 - 00:58 by Aido in response to initial y

Hey fellas!  I figured I'd chime in about the stylistic fiddling going on with today's comic in case anyone was worried or curious.

If you have a good eye, you've probably noticed that the inks don't always stay consistent from comic to comic (fountain pen, crow quill, there's some brush pen here).  I don't care too much about the visual consistency of Johnny Wander -- as the name implies, this place was made to be a sandbox for Ananth and myself.

I'm trying to teach myself how to ink with a brush right now and it is haaard!  So I'm working with it as much as possible so it looks like I know what I'm doing maybe.  Also it might give me some indie comic street cred.  The change isn't permanent, if you were worried.  I might work like this for a few comics though.

REALLY SERIOUSLY, if you have any suggestions on how to do this better, I'm all ears.  Also if you have any questions about art stuff, I will try to explain as much as I can which-I-cannot-promise-will-be-much.

IN THE MEANTIME: HEY ANANTH DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS

IT IS TIME FOR LEFT 4 DEAD

Comments

Your dad is awesome.

Comment by Rachel (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 01:14

He reminds me of my mom, no one passes her on the highway!

I wish you luck on the inking with brush, I was always terrible at that. Give me a crowquill anyday.

agreed @_@

Comment by Aido Thu, 02/19/2009 - 13:43

I agree - I'm pretty okay at the crow quill, and we get along pretty well!  But the more I look at other peoples' art, I'm starting to think that a brush might be a more versatile tool?  Either way, it's probably good to be fluent with different mediums. x_x

Probably.

Comment by Rachel (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 00:06

Certainly doesn't hurt anyway. I don't ink much of anything so I really can't say. But when I do I enjoy the possibility of splatter when you catch the nib on the papper . . .

OH BOY! You guys are

Comment by Jaki (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 01:32

OH BOY! You guys are probably playing on 360 though so I can't play with you. :C

L4D is so much fun :V

 Yeaaaah 360 ;_;

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:26

 Yeaaaah 360 ;_;

l4d!

Comment by cypress (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 01:34

lol, you dad is awesome. personally though i drive all over the place on the highway, speed wise that is. though its a good thing i haven't been speeding recently. i just found out my plates are a couple months overdue.

btw, l4d=awesome. i need to find more people to play with.

cool

Comment by kyle (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 03:28

i like it, i dont know what to say to help but i like the change but im up for any thing that helps expand a persons abilities. also try inking in photoshop it hard as well lol or i think it is

OMG LEFT 4 DEAD

Comment by pfaffle (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 05:04

OMG LEFT 4 DEAD RULES. I totally slaughter zombies on a daily basis!

crap

Comment by pfaffle (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 05:04

Argh I didn't mean for this to be a reply to a completely unrelated comment.

/fail

L4D Woooo

Comment by Piratized (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 05:20

I really enjoy the variety in style from comic to comic, keep up the good work :D, I'm looking for some L4D buddies (I.e people who decide to not skip out in the middle of a zombie rampage.) so if anyone in the comments want to add me it would be veerry verrry appreciated! :D

Steam ID: Piratized .

taa <3

Ach, I have the same

Comment by Sundayturkey (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 06:50

Ach, I have the same sentiment - but i'm on 360 unfortunately. :(
Yeah, wish I could find some good regular people to play with - have a sweet team of four, but we tend to win a bit *too* much, and everyone leaves.
I think our record was allowing a team to get 3 points on the first level of Blood Harvest. Suddenly, disconnects.

Oh yeah

Comment by Sundayturkey (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 06:53

If anyone does want to add me though, my gamertag's my name. Cheers!

 We're on the 360, sorry

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:31

 We're on the 360, sorry man! 

TIME FOR EUROBEAT

Comment by Yenian (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 07:48

~SHINING CAR, OF MY DREAMS, SHOW ME THE WAY FOR LOOOOVVVVVINGG!

\m/ >_< \m/

Comment by Aido Thu, 02/19/2009 - 13:37

 YESSSSSSS

Long time reader first time commenter

Comment by Some random person (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 10:31

I think the new styles look pretty good, I especially like the eyebrows in the last box. I am sorry to say I do not know much about drawing techniques to toss anything out there though. Very fun comic though I always enjoy the randomness of it thank you guys.

omg, i just got left 4 dead

Comment by MarkyMark (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 11:09

omg, i just got left 4 dead this weekend with the sale. we need to play together.

my steam id is t3hmarken, friend me so we can slaughter zombies together!

AWWH MAN, Steam? D:

Comment by Aido Thu, 02/19/2009 - 13:36

NUUUU  MARRRKKKK ;_;

We are playing on the 360, none of us have gaming PCs!  Or PCs at all!

DANG! That's it, I'm buying

Comment by Piratized (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:01

DANG!

That's it, I'm buying an Xbawkz.

That's heresy!

Comment by MarkyMark (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:32

That's heresy!

Get a comp-you-taaar!

Comment by Rizzy (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 16:55

I play l4d too! :D
And unlike my three l4d friends, I have way too much free time.
Please feel free to add me and send me a message if you need another person :]
SteamID: "ACarbonElegy"

...And I am always the black guy. Cos he is the coolest.

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Comment by kdiowd (not verified) Thu, 03/05/2009 - 22:29

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x--x Brushes are hard. I can

Comment by Sono (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 11:40

x--x Brushes are hard. I can only bring myself to use them for blacking areas in these days.

The best advice I can give is just to take your time and go easy on the brush. Try and have a few different ones to be able to make different variations of lines.

(I apologize for the lame advice.)

Speed Racer (or not)

Comment by Razor (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 13:11

LOL My fiance's roomie drives like Yuko's dad. I'm really quite surprised he still has his license. Of course I think he has the local traffic court on speed dial, and the highway patrol know him by name...

 Hahaha, that's either very

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:31

 Hahaha, that's either very good or very bad. XD

I saw this the other day and

Comment by Lindz (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 14:45

I saw this the other day and thought it would come in handy when I start messing with brush stuff. So not sure if you've seen this before, but I figured I would link you just in case http://comictool.blogspot.com/2009/01/helicopter-hand-draws-for-you-last...

Plus, there's a good article about how different artists approach using the brush (Erica Moen, Bryan Lee O'Malley, Hope Larson, Craig Thompson). http://comictool.blogspot.com/2009/02/this-week-cartoonists-on-their-bru...

Good luck with the brush experiments!

!!!

Comment by Aido Thu, 02/19/2009 - 16:19

Oh wow, this is fantastic!  Thank you so much!

I'm 100% self taught with a brush, so I've been working from the ground up.  I had no idea how to hold a brush. XD

*APPLYING NEW KNOWLEDGE RIGHT NOW*

I'm so glad that's helpful!

Comment by Lindz (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 00:16

I'm so glad that's helpful! Let us know if your experiments turn out better XD

What is a good pen to use

Comment by Sovy Kurosei (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 14:46

What is a good pen to use for inking with regards to ink bleeding? I tried using a very fine tipped black Sharpie but the bleed made the drawing I was inked look like it was done by a five year old. Or is that only something that can be fixed with better fine motor control/practice? I was thinking of using ballpoint pens but they don't make the mechanical pencil drawing look any better when they get inked this way in my opinion.

Advice!

Comment by Aido Thu, 02/19/2009 - 18:42

Well, I can say upfront that sharpies are not great for inking.  The ink is really permeating, if you are using a paper with a grain to it, the paper will act like a sponge and the line will bleed and the ink will soak through the paper.  The only thing I really use sharpies for is filling in areas of solid black.

If you are looking for a felt-tip non-variable line pen (similar to a sharpie), go to an art store and see what kinds of art pens they have.  I have a large collection of Micron, ZIG, Farber-Castell, Copic, and Staedtler pens.  These are what I ink this comic with.  Try a variety of papers, ink will bleed on papers with a lower quality or a bigger grain to them.  Most art stores will have a roll of paper out so you can try out pens before you buy them.

If feel like dabbling with a pen with variable line thicknesses, give a shot at felt brush pens.  All of the above companies should make them.

I hope that helps some!

Yes it has. Thank you!

Comment by Sovy Kurosei (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 10:29

Yes it has. Thank you!

Fast drivers scare me

Comment by LG (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 19:48

I never feel safe when I'm in a car with someone driving really fast. Especially anyone that's going near 90. o.o

D: I wanna play L4D with Y'all.

its decided

Comment by cypress (not verified) Thu, 02/19/2009 - 23:47

we must have a johnny wander l4d party night. but i don't have an x-box either >_<

Steam Id is onifiredemon. i don't go by that anymore though >.> i hate it. <.<

L4D night??!!! hazzah

Comment by bevoulve (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 09:57

i can't think of something more awesome than a Johnny Wander L4D night. (the name i posted this under is my xbox live account).

Hey guys! We are on 360. An

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:33

Hey guys! We are on 360. 

An L4D night sounds interesting - I'll talk to Conrad about it when he gets back, which is around the end of February. It's his account and he's a busy dude, and I don't really want to much around with it on my own. 

Yeah. I don't have a 360

Comment by LG (not verified) Sun, 02/22/2009 - 23:32

Yeah. I don't have a 360 either. >.>
My friend down the street lets me play all the time though. he likes me getting the achievements for him. :3

Just be sure to fill us in if you do have a L4D night.

Long time lurker. (~4 years

Comment by Kluas (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 05:16

Long time lurker. (~4 years of Applegeeks)

Your comics are just fine. Play and experiment as much as you like. Just keep up the witty comics. :)

In no way is this a brown nose or suck up or whatever its called these days.

L4D for the win. I popped some 66 hrs of L4D the first week it came out.

Enjoy campaign or versus. Whichever you guys play.

If you need a campaign player, not likely, steam me at knutsong48.

Welcome!We actually haven't

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:34

Welcome!

We actually haven't tried versus yet, but I think that's going to happen very soon. 

inking pens and papers

Comment by Katie (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 00:00

The best inking brush I've come across and a lot of people I know agree is a good winsor (of winsor and newton brand) round at either a 4 to 5. They usually don't fray easily and last a good while since I'm a big 'ol cheapo and these brushes aren't cheap. I also like using an angled flat #3 or 4 but I'm also a painter so a lot of cross overs come about.

Personal best paper is a good heavy weight print making paper like BFK or Reeves at 110 lbs or higher. I never paint anything on paper under 110 lbs or it will curl up and die on me.

BOOMER!

Comment by Mr P (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 02:00

LEFT 4 DEAD all the way!

I like the inkin' here.
How long is a mile in metric? I live in canada :P

Metric

Comment by Johnny Bart (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 13:40

A mile is the equivalent of approximately 1.61km. So, her father assumed she was driving just under 145km/h.

If that helps~

I think it looks pretty darn

Comment by PerfectlyDunce (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 04:25

I think it looks pretty darn good. I'm not much of an artist, by any means but I do know comics pretty well. To be quite honest, I think this brush pen thing goes well with the comic's style thus far.

Nothing warms the cockles of

Comment by Charlie Von Agar (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 04:36

Nothing warms the cockles of my heart like the screams of my boss as he's trapped alone an inundated by thousands of infected... ahhhhhh.

 Haaaahaha, you had me and

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:35

 Haaaahaha, you had me and Yuko snickering. I bet that's pretty therapeutic. 

Oh my

Comment by Bryce (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 13:35

I just remembered that JW has Alt-text....time to go re-read the last 20 or so t.t

 Yessss they all have alt

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:38

 Yessss they all have alt text!

Love the page

Comment by Sortem (not verified) Fri, 02/20/2009 - 22:26

I love this comic, it's really funny; I'm the person that always read but never says anything but the l4d thing makes me do it.

If you people want to play add me on, Steam Name: Sortem.

 Thank you! And sadly we're

Comment by Ananth Sun, 02/22/2009 - 11:39

 Thank you! And sadly we're on the 360, sorry. ;_;

It's time to be like

Comment by Pancakes (not verified) Sat, 02/21/2009 - 23:27

It's time to be like everyone one else and comment on how much I love left 4 dead too!!

l4d...anyone

Comment by Ricochet (not verified) Tue, 02/24/2009 - 04:46

First off, your comic rocks. I press refresh on update days. 2, L4d ftw!! If you guys are comp players my name here is my name on steam. Lets play some time.